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big name republicans coming out in support of same-sex marriage. no, the sky is not falling. plus the former new york cop accused ever fantasizing about kid 23457, rain and cannibalism, one of his fantasy victims his wife, sheakes the stand. and a grad student in texas ready to hand out shotguns to all the neighbors. but is that legal? those stories and much more ahead. a record setting blizzard has dumped more than a foot of snow in kansas and oklahoma, places not used to this.
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if has collapsed roofs, killed two. drivers stranded everywhere. phillip prince says he was stuck on interstate 40 in texas for about item hour when he took this picture. you can barely see anything. hard to see anything about flying debris and snow. and now the massive storm has set its sight as far as michigan. the south and mid-atlantic also getting slammed with flooding rain and severe storms. we're covering this for you state by state. erin mcpike got the short straw. she's in kansas city. i've watched you this morning as you've been getting hit with driving slow and it looks line a slushy mess behind you. how are things? >> reporter: well, that's right. the snow has been really bad, but it's finally let up as you can see.
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roads were treacherous if a while, but lots of snowplows coming by. but for as thick a layer of ice as we hd eaad earlier, you can things getting better. the big story is the power outages. already in kansas city there are 45,000 power outages in this area. 10,000 in texas. thousands more in oklahoma. that's the big problem obviously because it's cold out and people need to have heat. they need to have their power. >> that's just a thick messy snow, not the easy stuff that you can get rid of. the kind of stuff that's hard to shovel. >> well, it is really hard to shovel. and the other thing is that there are some traffic lights up the street that are actually covered in snow and you can't tell which light is lit. but the heavy snow is snapping power lines and that's what's causing power outages around
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this area. >> all right, erin, keep giving us the details as the storm front moves past you. the blizzard moving across several states and i said a lot of the states not used to getting the volume of this snow. it makes it dangerous, difficult to remove. and obviously very heavy for the power lines and tree. >> and yesterday we had all the wind. once they were trying to clear the roads, in 15 minutes, the wind just drifted them shut again. we had wind gusts of almost 70 miles an hour across texas. even as far south as san antonio, there was damage because of the wind. houses lost their roofs around round rock just because the shingles coming off. because this wind had a very potent low pressure center here. now the store has moved off to the east and it has calmed down. and let me describe why the snow has pretty much decreased and calmed down. there is the snow. for to be a big show today, there would have to be no rain
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accompanying the storm at all. because the rain is stealing the moisture that could be a snowstorm. so it's raining here and that's great news that there is so much rain across the east coast stopping this thing from being a major blizzard even for chicago or for milwaukee. t snow is about to tap for stop for kansas city. take a look at these number. amaril amarillo, 19 inches. that was at the airport. woodward where we had the roof collapse, 15. auburn, kansas at 8. it is still coming down, but calming down today. >> and i only think sometimes when you want to try to find some kind of a silver line, when you have these areas that have been ravaged by drought, this has to be a good thing for the drought-stricken states. >> absolutely. there is probably one full inch of water in 10 inches of water with the snow in western kansas. probably one inch of water in 7
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inches of snow in east kansas. and the drought has been all over the place. nebraska, kansas, oklahoma, and they did get a good bust dusting of snow. breaking the record for february. we'll get a new update on thursday. i bet some of the red zones will go away. >> already, keep an eye on that for us. chad myers doing the job for us. this just about an hour, chuck hagel's nomination for defense secretary is expected to clear a major hurdle. the senate will try for a second time to muster 60 votes needed to pull an up or down straight majority for a vote. the former republican senator faces little support from his fellow republicans. jack lew had a smoother right through the senate finance committee today. president obama's pick for treasury secretary could face a full senate vote later today or tomorrow. and now for other top stories making news in egypt, a gas explosion being blamed for the deadly fall of a hot air balloon.
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18 tourists were killed when their balloon dropped 1,000 feet to the ground. three others were hospitalized including the pilot. next, let's take a look at the big board. uncertainty caused by the italian elections sent ripples through world markets this morning. but so par the dfar the dow has looking pretty good. unlike the dow, major indices in europe and asia dropped pie as much as 4%. 61 points and climbing for the dow here in the good old usa. united states census bureau is removing one race from their next survey. wait for it. it's negro. it is amazing that this has not been removed before now. apparently they considered dropping it for the 2010 census, but they figure that had older african-americans still in the south identified where that term. in 2014, they are just simply going to use black or african-american as the choices on the form. three days and counting until $85 billion worth of spending cuts are going to take
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effect in washington and guess what, it will affect you, too. washington feeling the heat now. >> we have moved the bill in the house twice. we should not have toove a third bill before the senate gets off their ass and begins n do something. >> ouch. i'll talk with a republican newcomer to capitol hill and a democratic oldtimer. sneezing,s, aches, fevers. and i relieve nasal congestion. overachiever. [ female announcer ] tylenol® cold multi-symptom nighttime relieves nasal congestion. nyquil® cold and flu doesn't.
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we're learning more now about what life will be like after pope benedict steps down. the vatican says the pope will keep his naming benedict 1'6" r xvi and the title his holiness. he will wear a simple white robe while in seclusion. and will have regular police protection instead of having the swiss guard on call. a coast guard search off of the coast of san francisco has turned up no sign of a family missing. there were four people reportedly on board including two children. one just four years old, the other one eight. the coast guard released their distress call in hopes someone could identify the missing boaters. have a listen.
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>> coast guard, coast guard, we are an ban toning ship. this is the charm blow, we are abandoning ship abandoning ship. >> water temperature is less than 50 degrees. if he isn't already, president obama is soon going to be wheels up for the tide water region. newport news where spending drives the economy. at 1:05, the president will be talking about a major hit to that economy from those spending cuts due to start phasing in on friday. because i'm sure you've heard $85 billion is being squeezed out of defense and nondefense programs alike between march 1st and september 30th every single state is going to feel the pinch. including the two states represented by my next two guests. a nine term democratic congressman from new jersey and a freshman gop representative from florida. welcome to you both.
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congressman, the white house has a warning that 60 schools in your state will be losing funding, 11,000 civilian defense workers will face furloughs and 18,000 fewer residents will be getting hiv tests. and i think the specific concerns that will digging into you, people who are struggling from hurricane sandy will get some really bad news. what is happening? >> that's a good question. three-fourths of deficit reduction had already been in terms of cuts to the budget. so anyone says that this president has not attempted to shach off what we possibly can live with was absolutely wrong. in fact next year's discretion nap budget, not including the military, will be the lowest we've had in many, many, many year. so we're attempting to do this. the other side, many on the
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other side claim that the only way we can break the deficit, reduce spending is simply to cut, cut, cut. and not look to any revenues. we've already passed that hurdle. we believe that we do not have to raise anymore income tax rates. we did believe and senator lindsay apparently agrees with us, last night he made the statement from the other side that he thinks we can get this from subsidies, the oil producers, who have retained a lot of the taxpayers' money and they don't need it. we can do this with revenue and we do it smartly, we can come together. >> but nobody's been acting very smartly and i'm sure you're probably hearing this, but you brought this on ourselves, didn't you? >> we absolutely did. and where the administration, our partners along this way, we all decided democrats and republicans that we would put off and kick the can down the street like we're pretty good at doing. i don't think we can do that any longer. these cuts will be going into
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effect. and when i hear people from any side tell us that these cuts don't worry about it, we'll get over it, it's not going to be too dramatic, it will it take a long time for them to go into effect, i don't accept that. i think the american people should know what they're getting into. and i don't think that we have been direct enough to the american people as to what the consequences of these cuts are, whether you talk about mental health for children, whether you're talking about our teachers, whether you're talking about anything dealing with the feds. >> if we're talking about consequences, you are the tea party darling and the tea party often stands for cutting wherever you can. the white house is saying that 130 florida schools in your state will lose funding. 31,000 defense workers will face furloughs and almost 80,000 unemployed floridians will lose the government help to find a job. that's got to be sort of a tough pill to swallow even with the
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kind of philosophy that you he is espouse. are you happy with what's coming friday? >> first of all, i enjoy support from all sorts of people. while that may include the tea party, it also includes people like mayor giuliani. i'm all for an efficient government. i've been here a few weeks basically. it doesn't take a genius to figure out that we are $16 trillion in debt. we are buried in debt. we need to do something and do something now. >> are these the right cuts now? >> you cannot cut, cut, cut your way to prosperity. but here's where we're at. unless we make these choices right now, it's not just about cut, cut, cut. it's about save, save, save. saving things in the big picture like social security, medicare, medicaid. >> but you're notness answering question. i asked you if you're in agreement on what's happening in your state on friday. are you okay with it ? >> they're only threats right
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now. the president could go tour around all the country that he wants to say this is going to happen. let me give you a real world example what have will happen in my district. two airport towers are potentially because again these are just threats from the president are potentially going to be shut down. their overseer is the department of transportation. do you realize that even with this so-called sequestration and massive cuts, these scary cuts, that their budget is going to increase? we're talking about knocking off 2% of spending from the entire budget, 2%. do you really think the government is that efficient? >> i'm still trying to get the answer from you. you have said before, and i think you tweeted, let me just read a tweet that you sent out, sequestration is about a 2% cut. governments buried with $16 trillion of debt. you think it's so efficient that it can't spend 2%? can florida stand the cuts that are coming on friday? can you stand those threats that are coming to your state on
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friday yes or no? >> we can stand them and actually the country needs to stand them. if we don't begin to have a responsible efficient government here, the cuts that will come in five or ten years from now are going to be brutal. if you want to save all of the great things that the representative is talking about, certain area where is the government can play a role inof victims -- >> let's be honest. you voted against that. so you got a heck of a nerve to even suggest that we have to help the sandy victims when you voted against it. >> i did. >> every time florida has had a problem, the folks in the northeast have responded as they should. this is one country, one nation, and we should concern ourselves with the common good. >> but let's talk about -- >> you brought it up, i didn't even bring it up.
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>> let's talk about prioritizing here. why in that bill are we sending money to alaskan fishery, spending millions of dollars expanding the department of justice? how can i help the victims when pork and fat -- this is the business in washington. this is what happens time after time. and he said it himself, they've been kicking the can down the road for not just year, but generations. it's time somebody stands up and holds the government accountable. >> oosh not going to get any special medals to stand up for what we know is avoidable. we believe in surgical cuts, not cutting across the board fp hurts our military, it helps our security, ou kids. i don't accept that -- the president has had three plans already. chris van holland has had a plan. we'll leave here thursday
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evening, leave here he again as we usually do, and not solve the problem i don't accept this at all. but for you to bring up the sandy victims, do you know that the sandy victims, the money that's going to new york, new jersey and connecticut, it will be cut by 5.3%. so whether the cut comes next year or a year from now or two months from now is immaterial. this is unacceptable. this is not the way to do business. i say let's have a balance between -- >> you two -- >> i'm not doing business this way. the pork and fat loaded into bills year after year here in washington, you voted for this budget control act. this is your sequestration, not mine. it's time that we take some responsibility and stand up for the american people. >> can i tell you i love that you're finally talking. in any case regardless -- >> a good start, as well. >> i wish we could have cameras in your in-camera meetings so we can hear this kind of
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conversation. representatives, i think we'd need an entire cross fire program in order to get this debate even started. thank you to both of you. >> we may need a translator. >> i believe that is a -- you are speaking different languages. you are. thanks very much to both of you for being on on the program. >> thank you. so moving on. is it a case of cold blooded murder or jodi arias returning to the stand. she's been there a long time. will it do her any good? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ female announcer ] nothing gets you going quite like the power of quaker oats. today is going to be epic. quaker up.
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it's really not often in a very grizzly sexy murder case that the defendant will take the stand and speak in her own defense, but that's exactly what jodi arias has been doing for 11 days. talking and talking and talking. and that was the easy part. when the prosecutor got a hold of her, things got real tough. have a look. >> do you have problems with your memory? >> occasionally. >> there is no doubt yoebt jodi is a liar. but is she a cold blooded murderer. on the second day of cross-examination, the prosecutor launched an all out assault beginning with a secret
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recording with detectives. >> one of the reasons i'm here is i believe that you know something and i think you can help us. >> i'd love to help you. >> yes or no. were through to help him? >> i don't know. >> were you there to tell the truth? >> no. >> arias does not deny killing travis alexander, but says it was in self-defense because he forced her into kinky sex, engaged in violence, and once choked her unconscious. >> you went out of your way -- >> reporter: but the prosecutor spent monday hammering away a web of lies from a woman he describes as unreforceful, especially the night she killed her ex-boyfriend. >> you nicked yourself and it hurt and i think the word that you used stung. >> yes. >> you can imagine how much it must have hurt mr. alexander when you stuck that knife right into his chest? that really must have hurt, right? >> reporter: arias told the jury
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she lied to investigators out of shame and lied to friends out of confusion. even to alexander's grandmother. >> one of the things that you did was you actually sent irises, right? >> yes. >> you indicated she was in your pra prayer prayers. >> you did this, ma'am. that's a lie when you say you felt sympathy for her. >> no, that was not a lie. >> is this sort of a way for you to assauge your guilt? >> that wasn't my thought. >> reporter: on day 23, the burden lies on the prosecutor to convince these jurors beyond a reasonable doubt that arias is a murderer and not simply a victim of domestic violence. >> joining me now, best cabeth karas and son any loss continue. beth, let's begin with you.
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it's never easy when a prosecutor gets a hold of you and starts to cross-examine. but she seems to be pretty stalwart. is that such a good thing? >> her demeanor was different the two days she has testified. she was a little bit smug some people thought arrogant last thursday on day one of cross. she was a little more humble yesterday on her second day of cross. i have no idea how this is resonating with the jury, but the jurors watch her. some jurors don't want to seem to look at her any more. they're looking away especially the juror closest to her 37 occasionally they take notes. but for the most part, i can't tell what reaction the jury is having to her. she gets backed into a corner pretty frequently, though, because she has told so many lies. >> and and i noticed in the courtroom, whenever she answers the question to the person who is asking it, the prosecutor standing in front of her, she looks off to the jury to answer the question.
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some people coach their defendants to do that. is it a good thing, though, to constantly be answering the jury instead of answering the questioner? >> it sternl certainly is a coa thing. typically in general if you're talking to me, i'm speaking back to you. if you ask me a question, i direct the answer to you. so my sense is that her defense attorneys are trying to coach her to get some sort of relationship going on with the jury because if you look at the stats and you look at the reports, a jury that commiserates with the defendant is less inclined on to convict on the highest charge and less inclined on to let's say impose the death penalty. i don't know that that works for jodi arias because this is someone who has lied time and time again and when you're looking at a jury asking them to believe what you're saying, having been caught in all the lie, i'm not surprised that there are jury members who can't
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look at her. it's difficult to look into the eyes of a liar. >> every case is different and every defendant is different. and so sometimes it works and sometimes it don't. all right. beth, thank you for that. more legal discussions coming up. in fact first there is a new anti-crime plan in texas and it's a bit of a head scratcher. someone wanting to pay for some guns for his neighbors and pass will them out. the american dream is of a better future, a confident retirement. those dreams have taken a beating lately. but no way we're going to let them die. ♪ ameriprise advisors can help keep your dreams alive like they helped millions of others. by listening. planning. working one on one. that's what ameriprise financial does. and that's what they can do with you. that's how ameriprise puts more within reach. ♪ a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion.
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endorsed shotguns for home defense. >> get a double barrel shotgun. as i told my wife, we live in an area wooded and somewhat a secluded. i said if there's ever a problem, walk out, put that double barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house. >> that's not legal! our legal team today sunny hostin and darren cavanaugh. this is a grad student. i don't think he's a law student, but he calls his project the armed citizen project. he says he'll require background checks and training kour courst it seems a little off. >> my first reaction was the sounded an awful lot like trying
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to put out a fire with gasoline. but then after some reflection, i thought back to a planned community, a gated community where it was very publicly acknowledged that if you wanted to live in that neighborhood, you had to be a gun owner. and i believe it did have a fantastic impact on the crime that was in that neighborhood because everybody knew you don't want to be burglarizing these homes, these are all gun owners. so i think the people in neighboring communities may be a little upset when they're driving all the criminals into those areas, but i think it's something that could actually work. it may be so clever- >> sunny, how about this part. the first thing that came to mind was liability. and it's not something that has escaped this texas man either. but he has a specific plan to deal with the liability. he says even if heaven forbid one of our weapons is misused in a manner causing injury or death, one would have to accept the premise that guns, not
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people, cause crime in order to find us liable. i don't think that's how the law actually places the burden. i really don't know that's how it would play out. >> no, that analogy doesn't make legal sense at all. but i come at this from a law enforcement perspective. and if you look again at the stats and the f tbi has done th, studied the effect of people having guns and by and large those that have guns in their homes harm themselves or a family member rather than an intruder. and so i don't agree that guns necessarily make the situation safer. because the stats are there to show that having more guns doesn't necessarily lead to less injury. so this is really off base. and you have to look at the hard
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. next a big turning point in the republican party. 70 high profile republicans just signed a brief supporting gay marriage. the republicans signed a friend of the court, like an amicus brief, in support of striking down proposition 8, california's ban on gay marriage. the u.s. supreme court will hear arguments on this next month as well as another case that challenges the defense of marriage act. two separate cases, similar
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issues. among those who have signed on to the brief, jon huntsman, meg whitman, richard hanna. joining us with their take, cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin and john avlon. with the amicus brief, it's essentially what it sounds like, a friend of the court, paper saying what your opinion is hoping to sway the justices. how important are amicus briefs, how important might this one actually be? >> they can be important, but i have to tell you, i really disagree with the premise that this is a lot of people. there are almost 300 members of the house and senate who are republicans. they got two people, two obscure members of the house to sign. they have a very distantly failed presidential candidate.
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a failed gubernatorial candidate. the republican party is united and i don't think the brief makes a bit of difference. >> john, is it baby steps? >> this is a significant step and i don't think it should be diminished. 75 is 75 more than there was a little while ago. it's the beginning of the republican party reconciling its present with the history. and these folks deserve a lot of credit for having the courage on to come forward and say we need to be the party of individual freedom and that applies to social issues and same sex marriage, as well. >> where are the people? there is no one on that list that anyone's ever heard of. >> well, john lunn huntsman is nobody. and he's a more mamonrmon, as w. let me suggest these people instead. these are the people whoom the
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court serves, the american people. if i give you the statistics on the latest cbs poll, 54% say gay marriage should be legal now. 39% say it shouldn't be. and 8% rchbt sure. certainly when you break that down into the parties, it's completely different with democrats representing 63% of a positive vote that it should be legal, republicans suggesting only 29% of them. you get my point. i suppose the question is does it matter what the people think when the justices are weighing in or are they just absolutely my on th myopic when it comes to the statute? >> the public matter as lot. the change on this issue in everywhere except the republican party has been so enormous. the court cannot dismiss this issue anymore. i don't know how they will vote, but they are certainly going to take note of the fact that the
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country has changed dramatically. and the court always is affected by public opinion, by presidential elections and that will happen here, too. >> and john, do you think that -- jeff makes a good point that they are 75 names, but they're former republicans for the most part. where are the current, where are the seated republicans and is that going to happen anytime soon? >> i think it will start to happen. we're in the middle of a gay civil rights movement in this country. and it has resulted in a sea change of public opinion about something as fundamental as the right to marry. and ted olson has enormous credibility. one of the lead lawyers on the case. so you're seeing a principled argument rooted in legal theory that conservatives are making to tell low conservatives. and this just the beginning and a hopeful sign in terms of
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depolarizining this issue. >> i don't know john is wishful. >> i prefer hopeful. >> okay, hopeful thinking. >> jeff, john, good to hear from you. and still have another month before the arguments get under way. so maybe there will be further briefs from bigger names. you never know. thanks, guys. tears and fears of getting her throat slit, the estranged wife takes the witness stand in the so-called cannibal cop trial. you will not believe your ears. lily...she pretty much lives in her favorite princess dress. but once a week i let her play sheriff so i can wash it. i use tide to get out those week old stains and downy to get it fresh and soft. you are free to go. [ dad ] tide and downy together. how did i know? well, i didn't really. see, i figured low testosterone would decrease my sex drive...
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what could be worse than a than who allegedly plans to kidnap, cook, rape and eat women? how about the map being a police officer. what could be worse than that? how about the man being your husband. here is the story. one of new york city's fine he is, 28-year-old gilbert valle, is now on trial in a federal case stemming from a bizarre online plan to allegedly kidnap and cannibalize women. including his own estranged wife. who took the stand after opening statements yesterday crying while she described e-mails that she found and what she thinks her husband was planning to do to her. quote, i was going to be tied up by my feet and my throat slit and they would have fun watching the blood gush out of me because i was young. he sa end quote. my legal panel joins me again. all right.
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so here is the thing. that's disgusting and it sounds really awful. and it sounds really criminal. but it also sounds like somebody is really sick, fantasy. and are we supposed to be the thoughtfully? >> we're not. and that's when's troubled me about this federal case for so long. i think the fact that he was a police officer and certainly accessed law enforcement databases to fill these fantasies i think is important. and that smells criminal to me. but while these fantasies are sick and twisted and disgusting, i don't know that it is enough to picture him. and i think in the minds of the jury, they, too, will have these sick twist fantasies and i think it will be difficult to make that extra step absent something
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else like an extra step. >> good point. darr darryn, just how far do you have to go in your fantasy creep corner to make it criminal? >> sunny, thank you for saying sick and twisted places in your mind apply to the jury and not to the panel. this is such a fascinating case because in the after math of every kind of horrific crime, we always say why couldn't we have stopped this criminal sooner. and there are no thought police. we only punish people for actions that they take and not thoughts that they think. this is such a fascinating case because it invites a whole discussion around circumstance circumstanti circumstantial evidence. he's charged with crimes that require something beyond merely thinking about it and generally speaking, when we're talking about circumstantial evidence,
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it requires some analysis. people say if there are two reasonable interpretations, we have to align ourselves with the one that points to innocence. and that can be a tricky legal hurdle. >> hold those thoughts. we'll talk more about the case tomorrow. >> we can talk about it forever. >> so bizarre. and you know what, this is not the only case out there. the internet is rife with sights that have all sorts of dark corners of the world. hold on for a moment because up next, cough up your dna or els . supreme court case gets very personal. mine was earned in djibouti, africa, 2004.
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convicted of rape in maryland it was an air tight case. dna proved that he did. but the police took his dna after arrested ford a different violent crime. he wasn't convicted, just arrest for it. can you do that? the supreme court will hear arguments whether police can collect dna upon arrest without violating your constitutional right. it's eight huge crime fighting tool could be at risk of being axed. back with us, jeffrey toobin and trial attorney daron kavinoky. people think, heck if your under arrest, you should be fingerprinted, photographed,
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what's the difference if you have your mouth swabbed? is there a difference? >> the short answer the court will say there's not a difference. dna is a valuable tool. it's not an invasive test, not like a blood test, it's faster than fingerprints. >> it's invasive. a cotton swab inside your mouth, that's invasive. >> not really. they ink up fingers and they put your hands on a piece of paper. i don't think there's any difference. the argument is based on the idea the dna tells you so much about someone that that's the invasion that it tills you about disease and all sorts of things that the police are not entitled to know. but i think the supreme court is going to say, look, the technology has changed, this is a useful test, it's not that invasive, and it's just like a fingerprint, let the cop dozen it. >> daron, is the issue here, this guy who i outlined, was a bad guy, and he doesn't garner a
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lot of sympathy. the fact that he was convicted because they got his dna in a questionable way certainly doesn't help the matter. but all in all, i mean you are talking about people who are unarrest. and there are hundreds of thousands under arrest who aren't guilty of anything. >> that's right. and arrest or allegation, a charge, done mean somebody did it, obviously we've got a presumption of innocence that applies and obviously, jeffrey toobin's never done time in jail. jeff, there's more invasive that happens in custody beyond the fingerprinting. but i would argue that the swabbing is significantly more invasive with the fingerprint, that's something that just like the color of your car or your hairstyle or lack thereof, it's something anybody in the public can readily get. you don't have the same expectation of privacy in that material that you do with your bodily fluids. >> although, daron, i will tell
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you, this, every single cop out there knows the oldest trick in the book you bring somebody in for questioning you give thmg a glass of water and take his cup because you can test his saliva. i hate to say it, we readily give up our fluids all the time when we spit out our gum and lick envelopes and do all of those things. >> we do. ultimately i agree with jeffrey, i think there's a result oriented opinion here, i mean, look, if we really are serious about crime fighting everybody will give a dna sample upon birth and we'll have this massive catalog and that would be the best thing. >> but daron, that's a little different. you know when you are arrested even when you haven't been convicted you do lose certain rights. you do have to give a fingerprint. you do have to submit to a photograph, a mugshot. and i think dna belongs in that category. that's a very different proposition from saying that
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everyone goes into a massive database. when people are arrested, that is a key turning point in the law enforcement process. it's not conviction. but it is a time when you do have to surrender certain identifiable facts about yourself. >> all right. jeff toobin, daron kavinoky, i have to leave it there but i love this conversation. i just hope i'm not cut on the daily show for talking about bodily fluids. thanks to the two of you.act f, but at xerox we've embraced a new role. working behind the scenes to provide companies with services... like helping hr departments manage benefits and pensions for over 11 million employees. reducing document costs by up to 30%... and processing $421 billion dollars in accounts payables each year. helping thousands of companies simplify how work gets done. how's that for an encore? with xerox, you're ready for real business.
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